I can lookup youtube right until the cows arrive residence so I'd believed I'd pose the query a bunch of guys who do it on standard foundation. I have tried using a several distinct procedures and my greatest challenges is I get like a 70% opening but never ever a pancake. its a calusa three/8 8ft 12lb I imagine. Also I am correct handed so I get blended solutions on if I really should toss it like I would toss a Frisbee or if I would load and toss as if I'd toss a Frisbee if I was still left handed. Many thanks guys.